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and this is all in the book so don't worry about this,
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but a lot of them say,
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"Look, if we don't run candidates and elections,
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how are they going to know about us?"
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So, they, too, would run candidates and elections.
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So, they're put at really kind of crux.
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They're really sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place,
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because they're running candidates in elections
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in which they do not believe.
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I'm not here talking about Russia,
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because that is more complicated with the Bolsheviks,
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and the Mensheviks, and the socialist revolutionaries,