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There are others that-- there's another party that I'll leave it
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as the elephant in the room that helped Fastow.
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Let's just say that the professionals
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who should have been showing some small degree of allegiance
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to the shareholders
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instead helped Fastow concoct all these gnarly schemes,
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because he himself was completely unable to do so.
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He was just someone who was a--
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like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern,
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one of the indifferent children of the earth.
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He was not a peer of Skilling's?
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No, he was a joke.