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Now, so here is Copernicus' picture.
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Here's the Sun, here are the various planets.
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You have to agree that's very remarkable. Okay?
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First of all,
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it's remarkable because that was the period when you--
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It was not "publish or perish" but "publish and perish."
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It was not a good thing to come out and say what you thought,
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and he still did that.
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Even independent of the social risk,
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how did anybody figure this out,
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because even today, even when I know this is true,
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I look around, it doesn't look like this at all to my eyes.