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They spend a lot of money on R&D
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because they make a lot of money.
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They have broad product lines, they have big cash flows,
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and they spend a lot on R&D.
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You, some little pip squeak making Heartport,
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are going to rack your whole business on the idea
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that you don't-- you can attack these guys by
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saying they're going to have--
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you're going back to the hospital a lot,
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you can be sure they know that's an issue for their company
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and they're throwing a lot of money at it.
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In fact, what we see in this business is actually we get,