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So to say secession is about slavery is accurate,
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but there are layers beneath it,
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in what I'd call a kind of fear thesis.
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A third explanation is what we might call--
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or a motivation for southern secession--
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we might call southern nationalism, a sense of southern unity,
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a dream for some southern secessionists
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they were a minority surely over time
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and they're even a minority, I think,
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in the midst of the secession crisis
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but a dream over time of a southern nation,
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an independence, of developing their own boundaries