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Vivian.
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Vivian. So we've got the case of surrogacy, commercial surrogacy,
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and it's been compared to baby selling
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and we've been exploring whether that analogy is apt
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and it can also be compared, as you point out, to sperm selling.
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But you're saying that sperm selling and baby selling or even surrogacy
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are very different because...
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Yes, they're unequal services.
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They're unequal services
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and that's because Vivian, you say that the tie, the bond..
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Yes, and also the time investment that's given by a mother,
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nine months,