And I think because out of that love of county,

正因为出于对国家的爱
you can debate with other people and have respect for their views

你可以和别人辩论并尊重别人观点
but still engage them in debate.

但依然展开激烈讨论
If you just say that, patriotism is a vice,

如果说爱国主义不道德
you drop out of that debate

那你是在退出辩论
and you cede the ground to people who are more fundamentalist,

向原教旨主义者低头
who have a stronger view and who may coerce the community.

向观点更强硬可能压制社群的人低头
Instead, we should engage the other members of the community

相反我们应该让社群其他成员
on that same moral ground.

在同一道德基准上参与讨论
Now this, what we hear from AJ

我们听到了AJ
and Raul that's very pluralistic argumentative

和劳尔对爱国主义客观多元化的评价
critically minded patriotism.

他们的发言具有很强的说服力