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But if you go to everybody else,
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their feelings I think would have been mixed
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because first--
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I don't know which came first,
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but they would be impressed and enjoy these positive things.
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But they would also be troubled by something
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that was counter to their own traditions
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and to central elements of their own beliefs and concerns.
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I keep thinking about those hoplite farmers,
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who have grown to be confident and independent,
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desired to be autonomous, didn't want to be told what to do
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and yet there was somebody who was doing just that.