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and then I was playing the market in 1961.
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That shows how old I am.
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And in a bull market you
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make a great deal of money by doing leverage.
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It's a little bit like today with all the leverage
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that we had and now might be coming to fruition.
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I was borrowing money and bought all these convertibles
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and I thought I was a genius and Jack Dreyfus said,
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you're going to lose all your money.
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I had made a few bucks playing poker
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and that's how I started with about eight, ten thousand dollars
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and I made all this money by borrowing at 90%.