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and this is the guy that gets to be the CEO and,
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yet, he's in college and he's the kind of guy
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that was the president of the fraternity.
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Now, all these presidents of fraternities aren't bad guys,
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but basically the normal guy that I remember at college was
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--he's always there at the fraternity or the eating club.
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He's always there to be there.
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If you have a bad day, you walk over to the club
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and you're feeling bad
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--your girlfriend left you;
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you did bad on a test score or whatever
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--and you go over there; he's always there.