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right smack in the middle of a plain,
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which is a good place for farming,
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with a great high acropolis available.
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Even the characteristic thing in a polis, the agora,
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the marketplace,which
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also becomes the civic center of these towns,
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even these grew up later than the polis.
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They show up a century or more typically
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after we know that there is a polis there,
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and the agora comes about in a gradual way.
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I think you should never imagine in these real old poleis
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that got the thing started,