how do you do that?

怎样才能办到这一点
So there were two ways very vehemently anti-communist

有两种途径完成此事非常激进反共
through the whole thing but more realistic than the americans

但比美国人更加现实
always more realistic than the Americans--

永远都比美国人现实
and this we'll tie together in a minute.

我们稍后会把二者结合起来
Two ways: one is that you maintain this forceful independence

两种途径:一是保持这种强大的自主
vis-à-vis the Americans and the Soviets.

面对美国和苏联
The clash of these two civilizations both with their monumental

这两种文明存在冲突既在于它们
exaggerations and both with their monumental problems;

庞大的扩张也在于它们无尽的麻烦
the Americans' problems less bloody than the traditions in the Soviet

美国的问题比起苏联的过往情况而言
Union--how do you do that?

不那么棘手--怎样解决它呢
So you become independent you leave NATO you throw the

你可以独立离开北约把美国人