来自《耶鲁大学开放课程：政治哲学导论 第5集》

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  but that is not the same thing as
  但这并不意味着他
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  being refuted.
  驳倒了
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  Thrasymachus is really, as it turns out,
  事实证明特拉西马库斯
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  a kind of girly-man
  是一个女了女气的男人
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  who is ashamed to be seen defending the unjust life.
  他会因自己替不公正辩护而感到脸红
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  "But why should we be ashamed to praise injustice?"
  但是我们为什么要为此感到脸红呢
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  Glaucon challenges Socrates.
  格劳孔对苏格拉底问到
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  "It's not enough to show that justice is wrong."
  仅仅证明公正是错误的不够的
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  Glaucon says.
  高孔说道
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  "What we need is to hear why justice is good,"
  我们需要知道为什么公正是对的
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  or more precisely to hear justice praised for itself.
  更准确的说是 公正有值得赞美的自身价值
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  "Is there, in your opinion," Glaucon asks Socrates,
  他问苏格拉底 在你看来