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own desires and pleasures to the group,
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and live a life by a strict code of honor.
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We have to ask: are Socrates' proposals unrealistic?
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Are they undesirable?
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Or are they desirable?
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They are not undesirable if you believe as he does
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that even the best city must provide provisions for war,
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and therefore a warrior's life, a soldier's life,
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will require harsh privation
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in terms of material rewards and benefits
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as well as a willingness to sacrifice for others.
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It would seem far from being unrealistic,