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They are not undesirable if you believe as he does
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that even the best city must provide provisions for war,
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and therefore a warrior's life, a soldier's life,
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will require harsh privation
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in terms of material rewards and benefits
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as well as a willingness to sacrifice for others.
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It would seem far from being unrealistic,
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Socrates engages
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what we might call maybe a kind of Socratic realism.
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Far more unrealistic would be
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the belief of those who argue,
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and I'm thinking here of names like Immanuel Kant