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there are other reasons too--
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but this kind of mobilization of ordinary people.
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Now, let me just finish with the following story,
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because this is an amazing thing
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and a few of you in other courses have heard this,
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but I tell it because it's just so--it was prophetic.
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It was again this wonderful historian Michelle Perrot,
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and she wrote an article I published
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in a collection of essays a long time ago
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called "The Three Ages of Industrial Discipline."
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And it parallels the view of the other,
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where you're against--