this is what happened; that's what happened, that's it.

这就是事实这就是真正所发生的
It was a strategy that Charles Pasqua, who had been a Minister of

这就是夏尔·帕卡的策略
Interior long ago and tried to use, and had not worked,

当他担任内政部长时他就实施这些策略
but it worked this time around.

当时并没有奏效但是这次奏效了
Now, again, I don't exaggerate the problem of--there has been

现在我并没有夸大这个问题的严重性
increased criminality, there've been attempts to prove that

犯罪率的上升已经证实了犯罪的日益严重
greater increases of criminality, with immigrant populations and

这个数据包括了移民以及非移民
non-immigrant populations-- that's hard to say whether that's true or not.

所以很难说这个数据到底是对还是错
We're not talking about crime waves like lots of murders and

我们在这里并不准备探讨犯罪浪潮
things like that.

谋杀或者其他的犯罪
France still operates on a very civilized scale,

法国依旧是一个十分文明的国家
in part because they have very harsh gun laws and you can't just sort of

一方面是由于严格的枪支管理法