in thinkers like Rousseau, or Marx, or Nietzsche,

在思想家如卢梭马克思和尼采
or Machiavelli all of whom sought to gain the ear of political leaders

或马基雅维利都希望紧靠君主
and convert their ideas into some kind of practice.

将他们的观念转化为某种实际政策
But most of the objections to Plato's particular form

但反驳柏拉图的特有类型的意见
of the philosophic kingship

这个特有类型是关于哲学王统治的
really are centered on the practicality of his idea. And beyond this,

反驳意见注重想法的时效性在此之上
there is the problem with the very cogency of the idea itself.

这个说法本身的说服力也存在问题
Consider the following, can philosophy and politics actually be united?

试想一下　　哲学和政治能否统一呢
It would seem that the needs of philosophy are quite different from

对哲学的需求似乎与
the demands or requirements of political rule.

对政治规则的需求很不一样
Can you imagine Socrates willingly giving up one of his conversations

你们能想象苏格拉底志愿奉献一篇对话
for the tedious business of legislation and public administration?

为了冗长的立法和公共事务吗