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After 1981, there was a tremendous revolution in our tax--
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in our pension system because it led--first of all,
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people liked tax breaks and it sounds good to get a tax break.
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But secondly, people start--unions were declining.
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Unions, which had always advocated defined benefits,
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were declining as a force in the U.S.
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And people were developing in the United States
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more of an investment culture.
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They liked the idea that
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they would have a defined contribution plan
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where there would be a portfolio, which is theirs,
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which is being invested for their retirement,