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socially conservative and moderate politically but based upon,
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built upon anti-clericalism.
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And in Lyon where there was this vibrant kind of anti-clericalism,
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before World War I, that calms down because these nuns
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who people attacked, representing in some ways the
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institutionalized role of the Catholic Church in French society,
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were extraordinarily heroic, and so were these priests, and
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ministers, and indeed rabbis, who of course get killed by shells
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as they're giving the last rights to all these people who
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have been killed.
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And there's another tension too that's not talked about so much,
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but I can--I've heard it in the sort of collective memory of