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and nobody could really understand how that had happened
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given the great power of Athens,
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and of course it was easy to point to the great event
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that turned the tide
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against Athens, the Sicilian Expedition,
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and to say this was an idiotic idea.
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And it was exactly the kind of idiotic idea
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that a democracy would come up with
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so that democracy itself was seen to be not just--
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how can I put--Let me say it was seen to be inherently wicked,
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because it violated what seemed to be the truth about human beings
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and which was very much a part of all Greek tradition