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there were sort of great families
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who controlled or who certainly had a lot of power,
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in New York politics was really largely organized
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around the clash between a handful of great families.
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And the Livingstons are the sort of largest
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and most noteworthy political clan in New York,
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and I can vouch to you as a historian of this time period
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that when you're studying New York politics
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there are a million Livingstons and they're all named Philip.
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Trying to tell which Livingston
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is which Livingston is really hard.
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There are a lot of Livingstons