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you see what's thought of as the savage state.
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And this is Thomas Cole's obvious interpretation
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of the evolution of civilization.
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So the savage state is wild, it's hostile.
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I think of it in a way as being wild lands,
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and I've always had a strong fascination for wild lands.
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When I was a child, my dad always took me camping
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or hiking up in the White Mountains in New Hampshire
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or the Adirondacks or up in Vermont.
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They really caused me to have not just a fascination with it,
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but also a love of it.
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Thinking about how society might move from the savage