La Ville de Nantes, Dinan, and all this kind of stuff.

南特迪南诸如此类的
Okay, so what about timing in all this?

时机在这里又起什么作用呢
So, was Weber completely wrong?

韦伯是完全错了么
No, it depends on what you're talking about.

不是这取决于我们讨论的是什么问题
If you wanted to talk about

如果你说的是
when people in the Loire begin thinking themselves as French,

卢瓦尔人何时开始自认是法国的一部分
the answer is really in the seventeenth century

答案是17世纪
or in the eighteenth century.

或者18世纪
And certainly the French Revolution,

而法国大革命
which precipitates this enormous civil war in the west,

促使了发生在西部的内战
was basically a war between

这实际上是
Jacobins, that is, Paris centralizing French,

雅各宾党就是以巴黎为中心的法国人